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	<title>Comments on: vertical job search reality check</title>
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		<title>By: Glenn Mandelkern</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2005/09/09/vertical-job-search-reality-check/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Mandelkern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to one-stop shop, the one stop that counts most for job hunters are actual job offers!

It has been said that the &quot;journey is better than the inn.&quot;  Cervantes, however, isn&#039;t my mortgage lender nor landlord.  

Just like investors want to see some kind of numeric return, so do job hunters.  What&#039;ll really turn on candidates is to see actual numbers and statistics published that say how many positions were filled through ads on the different job boards and search engines, vertical, horizontal or diagonal.

Speaking of getting horizontal, it&#039;s still amazing to note that in this age where everybody allegedly has more access to everybody through blogs, emails, cell phones, etc. the way many still land their positions is through the &quot;hidden job market.&quot;  I&#039;ve heard estimates range from 60% to 85% of jobs still get filled that way.  Can job search engines pierce that?  Job hunters, especially enthusiastic motivated ones who are also Internet savvy would like to know. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to one-stop shop, the one stop that counts most for job hunters are actual job offers!</p>
<p>It has been said that the &#8220;journey is better than the inn.&#8221;  Cervantes, however, isn&#8217;t my mortgage lender nor landlord.  </p>
<p>Just like investors want to see some kind of numeric return, so do job hunters.  What&#8217;ll really turn on candidates is to see actual numbers and statistics published that say how many positions were filled through ads on the different job boards and search engines, vertical, horizontal or diagonal.</p>
<p>Speaking of getting horizontal, it&#8217;s still amazing to note that in this age where everybody allegedly has more access to everybody through blogs, emails, cell phones, etc. the way many still land their positions is through the &#8220;hidden job market.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve heard estimates range from 60% to 85% of jobs still get filled that way.  Can job search engines pierce that?  Job hunters, especially enthusiastic motivated ones who are also Internet savvy would like to know.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveMc500Hats</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2005/09/09/vertical-job-search-reality-check/comment-page-1/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveMc500Hats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All fair points.  However, all 3 job search engines you mention have been in existence for hardly a year... there&#039;s lots more to come.

Improving &amp; diversifying our job crawls and indexing is obviously an ongoing &amp; primary effort.  However, in addition to having millions of jobs and thousands of data sources and fresh/recent data, we&#039;re pretty sure most people want a great user experience that goes much further than where we&#039;re at today.

So while i may agree with your observations, i don&#039;t necessarily agree these are the *most* important areas to be focused on.

Sometimes people look at search as the hammer for every nail.  Search is a useful tool, however content &amp; applications count for a lot too.

another way to say that: sometimes a pretty face is a lot more interesting than a thousand words.

(keep watching joel... the game has only just begun ;)

- dave mc
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All fair points.  However, all 3 job search engines you mention have been in existence for hardly a year&#8230; there&#8217;s lots more to come.</p>
<p>Improving &amp; diversifying our job crawls and indexing is obviously an ongoing &amp; primary effort.  However, in addition to having millions of jobs and thousands of data sources and fresh/recent data, we&#8217;re pretty sure most people want a great user experience that goes much further than where we&#8217;re at today.</p>
<p>So while i may agree with your observations, i don&#8217;t necessarily agree these are the *most* important areas to be focused on.</p>
<p>Sometimes people look at search as the hammer for every nail.  Search is a useful tool, however content &amp; applications count for a lot too.</p>
<p>another way to say that: sometimes a pretty face is a lot more interesting than a thousand words.</p>
<p>(keep watching joel&#8230; the game has only just begun ;)</p>
<p>- dave mc<br />
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		<title>By: Paul Forster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Forster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joel - nice post - I agree that job seekers need a lot more from job search engines than listings from job boards. That is why Indeed is indexing all jobs from over 1,500 unique sources, including the corporate websites of over 80% of the Fortune 500.  Indeed is adding over 130,000 new jobs per day which is considerably more than any other job search engine.  And we&#039;ll certainly give you more... as we are adding new sources of jobs every day.

Paul
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joel &#8211; nice post &#8211; I agree that job seekers need a lot more from job search engines than listings from job boards. That is why Indeed is indexing all jobs from over 1,500 unique sources, including the corporate websites of over 80% of the Fortune 500.  Indeed is adding over 130,000 new jobs per day which is considerably more than any other job search engine.  And we&#8217;ll certainly give you more&#8230; as we are adding new sources of jobs every day.</p>
<p>Paul<br />
<a href="http://www.indeed.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.indeed.com</a></p>
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