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		<title>By: papers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; why facebook feels like google, circa 2001</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-21641</link>
		<dc:creator>papers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; why facebook feels like google, circa 2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] scmurley@gmail.com wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAnd in thinking about my affection for Google and a younger generation’s love for Facebook, it got me thinking of similarities and important differences between the evolutions of each company. Around four years into its existence, &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="mailto:scmurley@gmail.com">scmurley@gmail.com</a> wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAnd in thinking about my affection for Google and a younger generation’s love for Facebook, it got me thinking of similarities and important differences between the evolutions of each company. Around four years into its existence, &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-13451</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two years ago my sister joined facebook at about the same time I joined Myspace. At the time facebook was useless to me, I searched and there was NO ONE I knew.  Now she is 22 and I am 26 and facebook is just as useless as it was 2 years ago- I was initially very turned off at their elitist &quot;college&quot; club angle (even though I had recently graduated) and to this day I have all of 2 friends on facebook. My point is that to people born before 1984 (as far as I can tell) facebook just isn&#039;t practical- is it? am I totally off the mark? Maybe I should log in again and poke around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two years ago my sister joined facebook at about the same time I joined Myspace. At the time facebook was useless to me, I searched and there was NO ONE I knew.  Now she is 22 and I am 26 and facebook is just as useless as it was 2 years ago- I was initially very turned off at their elitist &#8220;college&#8221; club angle (even though I had recently graduated) and to this day I have all of 2 friends on facebook. My point is that to people born before 1984 (as far as I can tell) facebook just isn&#8217;t practical- is it? am I totally off the mark? Maybe I should log in again and poke around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-12991</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave makes some good points. However, my my option, social networking and professional networking aren&#039;t the peanut butter &amp; chocolate (two great tastes that taste great together) combination everyone thinks they are.  I think they are more like chocolate &amp; wine - both great - but best enjoyed seperately. We&#039;ve not yet mapped out how someone &quot;grows up&quot; in the digital space. Do you wake up one day, decide to get serious, and take down the pictures of you shotguning a beer and the pictures you took of yourself half-naked in the mirror? I&#039;m not sure the upcoming generations will do this. They are a generation that wants to be accepted as is. And I&#039;m not sure HR is ready to accept it. I think this culture is what will make the job board/professional network and social network combination hard to navigate for a while, which I think will make it hard to monetize these deals. I think Jobster and Facebook&#039;s best chance for making this a successful deal is figuring out a way to allow employers to target very specifically the candidates that they are interested in - either through ads or email. I know a lot of employers who would pay for the ability to augment their hiring strategies by doing some very targeted advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave makes some good points. However, my my option, social networking and professional networking aren&#8217;t the peanut butter &amp; chocolate (two great tastes that taste great together) combination everyone thinks they are.  I think they are more like chocolate &amp; wine &#8211; both great &#8211; but best enjoyed seperately. We&#8217;ve not yet mapped out how someone &#8220;grows up&#8221; in the digital space. Do you wake up one day, decide to get serious, and take down the pictures of you shotguning a beer and the pictures you took of yourself half-naked in the mirror? I&#8217;m not sure the upcoming generations will do this. They are a generation that wants to be accepted as is. And I&#8217;m not sure HR is ready to accept it. I think this culture is what will make the job board/professional network and social network combination hard to navigate for a while, which I think will make it hard to monetize these deals. I think Jobster and Facebook&#8217;s best chance for making this a successful deal is figuring out a way to allow employers to target very specifically the candidates that they are interested in &#8211; either through ads or email. I know a lot of employers who would pay for the ability to augment their hiring strategies by doing some very targeted advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Lefkow</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-12947</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lefkow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did some of the investigator work about Facebook while I was at Jobster. Here are the conclusions I had about their business and what they could offer a company like Jobster:

1. There is a definite barrier to entry. Yes, the technology is replicable, but speed is the competitive advantage on the web - and critical mass is achieved by getting millions of people wrapped up in their functionality to a point that makes it impossible or at least unlikely to switch. The people who use Facebook are religious about it and are building up connections, affiliations and content. What&#039;s also interesting about Facebook is that people are constantly updated and drawn back into the community (people I observed use it almost as much as email).

2. They don&#039;t have a magic bullet right now, but that&#039;s OK. Lots of sites build up traffic and then figure out interesting ways to monetize that traffic. It sounds very 1999, but that&#039;s actually working these days given the critical mass of the web.

I think you have every right to remain skeptical until they show you something really big. But I do believe that indispensible tools (like Google) have big monetization potential, and in the web game I don&#039;t think you need the big pockets of News Corp to exploit them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some of the investigator work about Facebook while I was at Jobster. Here are the conclusions I had about their business and what they could offer a company like Jobster:</p>
<p>1. There is a definite barrier to entry. Yes, the technology is replicable, but speed is the competitive advantage on the web &#8211; and critical mass is achieved by getting millions of people wrapped up in their functionality to a point that makes it impossible or at least unlikely to switch. The people who use Facebook are religious about it and are building up connections, affiliations and content. What&#8217;s also interesting about Facebook is that people are constantly updated and drawn back into the community (people I observed use it almost as much as email).</p>
<p>2. They don&#8217;t have a magic bullet right now, but that&#8217;s OK. Lots of sites build up traffic and then figure out interesting ways to monetize that traffic. It sounds very 1999, but that&#8217;s actually working these days given the critical mass of the web.</p>
<p>I think you have every right to remain skeptical until they show you something really big. But I do believe that indispensible tools (like Google) have big monetization potential, and in the web game I don&#8217;t think you need the big pockets of News Corp to exploit them.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-12827</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before they partnered with Jobster, I&#039;d have bought the argument that Facebook had potential like Google. But the Jobster partnership (which makes little sense to me) and the deal with MSN leave me to believe that Facebook might not have the same decision-making skills (or luck) as Google.  Before the MSN deal, Facebook was an awesome source for college recruitment. You could target text and banner ads to specific majors, colleges, geographies. The MSN deal leaves them with MSN&#039;s targeting which does not allow anyone to go that deep. Jobster will add little value to the members of Facebook. Currently Facebook is an amazing, but very expensive, resource for employers looking to target college students.  I&#039;m going to assume that Jobster will offer something less valuable to employers that will compete with the Featured Groups that Facebook currently offers. Which is bad for employers.  Employers need to learn to navigate (and accept) the social networking space, not use some watered-down Jobster-version of Facebook.   The one thing that Google has never gotten away from is it&#039;s commitment to it&#039;s users. Providing value to searchers and advertisers. I don&#039;t think the Jobster-Facebook deal was about adding value to users. So I&#039;d say the jury is out on whether Facebook is like the Google of 2001.  But Jobster with all of it&#039;s strategy shifts is reeking of 2001... but more like Pets.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before they partnered with Jobster, I&#8217;d have bought the argument that Facebook had potential like Google. But the Jobster partnership (which makes little sense to me) and the deal with MSN leave me to believe that Facebook might not have the same decision-making skills (or luck) as Google.  Before the MSN deal, Facebook was an awesome source for college recruitment. You could target text and banner ads to specific majors, colleges, geographies. The MSN deal leaves them with MSN&#8217;s targeting which does not allow anyone to go that deep. Jobster will add little value to the members of Facebook. Currently Facebook is an amazing, but very expensive, resource for employers looking to target college students.  I&#8217;m going to assume that Jobster will offer something less valuable to employers that will compete with the Featured Groups that Facebook currently offers. Which is bad for employers.  Employers need to learn to navigate (and accept) the social networking space, not use some watered-down Jobster-version of Facebook.   The one thing that Google has never gotten away from is it&#8217;s commitment to it&#8217;s users. Providing value to searchers and advertisers. I don&#8217;t think the Jobster-Facebook deal was about adding value to users. So I&#8217;d say the jury is out on whether Facebook is like the Google of 2001.  But Jobster with all of it&#8217;s strategy shifts is reeking of 2001&#8230; but more like Pets.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-12727</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments on Facebook, Google, Myspace, etc. make a lot of sense. I agree with you that social networking is becoming a function that organizations can deploy for their own purposes, creating specialized communiities for themselves and there are increasing number of services out there that offer this to interested parties for small money or even free. In other words, there is nothing unique or differentiating in being a social networking site. Utlimately, the only thing Facebook will have to sell is the quality of its community.You could probably say the same thing about Myspace with the difference being, as you point out, that someone already bought it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments on Facebook, Google, Myspace, etc. make a lot of sense. I agree with you that social networking is becoming a function that organizations can deploy for their own purposes, creating specialized communiities for themselves and there are increasing number of services out there that offer this to interested parties for small money or even free. In other words, there is nothing unique or differentiating in being a social networking site. Utlimately, the only thing Facebook will have to sell is the quality of its community.You could probably say the same thing about Myspace with the difference being, as you point out, that someone already bought it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-12706</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting points and I think that I must agree with the twentysomething age group that are in to facebook. My problem is just that I think that Myspace in comparison to facebook fails dismally. Not to mention the numerous awards Myspace has recieved for being the worst site in the world (very subjective in the end).

I agree that in the end, social networks are soon to become very accessible to very specific markets and I personally think that is fairly exciting.

Thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting points and I think that I must agree with the twentysomething age group that are in to facebook. My problem is just that I think that Myspace in comparison to facebook fails dismally. Not to mention the numerous awards Myspace has recieved for being the worst site in the world (very subjective in the end).</p>
<p>I agree that in the end, social networks are soon to become very accessible to very specific markets and I personally think that is fairly exciting.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragin' Cajun</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-12701</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragin' Cajun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google&#039;s algorithm easy to duplicate? Surely, you jest.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2007/02/16/facebook-is-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-12689</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with your argument is that Search doesn&#039;t have much of a barrier to entry, either. Here&#039;s how you know this is true:

(1) History. We have seen so many search engines die in the path to Google (Inktomi, Alta Vista, etc.). To be sure, Google has the edge NOW, but disruptive changes in hardware and algorithms do happen.

(2) Google&#039;s behavior. If they really had a barrier to entry on Search, they wouldn&#039;t have to be scrambling to do so much more (building their own private internet; introducing new products such as GMail, Google Spreadsheets, etc., etc., etc.). There is probably some fear of repeating the mistakes of the past in the Google upper echelons. I wish them luck, but history tells us that it is incredibly difficult to keep the advantage.

The same could be said of the social networking sites. Facebook users may seem loyal, but let me say one word: Friendster. The speed at which an entire community jumped off to find a new tool was remarkable. It will happen again.

This, then, is a huge risk for Jobster, both in terms of their general business plan (they have no barrier to entry for their competitors, either, and they obviously can&#039;t execute, which is what can differentiate companies that all provide the same service), and in their partnering. If Jobster really wants to make money, the smartest thing Jobster could do right now would be to lay off another 60 people. Honestly, it only takes a few engineers to run a software product with so few users. Go ask Craigslist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with your argument is that Search doesn&#8217;t have much of a barrier to entry, either. Here&#8217;s how you know this is true:</p>
<p>(1) History. We have seen so many search engines die in the path to Google (Inktomi, Alta Vista, etc.). To be sure, Google has the edge NOW, but disruptive changes in hardware and algorithms do happen.</p>
<p>(2) Google&#8217;s behavior. If they really had a barrier to entry on Search, they wouldn&#8217;t have to be scrambling to do so much more (building their own private internet; introducing new products such as GMail, Google Spreadsheets, etc., etc., etc.). There is probably some fear of repeating the mistakes of the past in the Google upper echelons. I wish them luck, but history tells us that it is incredibly difficult to keep the advantage.</p>
<p>The same could be said of the social networking sites. Facebook users may seem loyal, but let me say one word: Friendster. The speed at which an entire community jumped off to find a new tool was remarkable. It will happen again.</p>
<p>This, then, is a huge risk for Jobster, both in terms of their general business plan (they have no barrier to entry for their competitors, either, and they obviously can&#8217;t execute, which is what can differentiate companies that all provide the same service), and in their partnering. If Jobster really wants to make money, the smartest thing Jobster could do right now would be to lay off another 60 people. Honestly, it only takes a few engineers to run a software product with so few users. Go ask Craigslist.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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