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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2008/11/03/ved-please-explain-this-jobfox-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-115509</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elance.com offers &#039;certification&#039; for service providers along these same lines for rates starting at $10 or so.  The cert tests consist of ridiculously outdated multiple choice quizzes provided by a third party testing service from some dark corner of the internet.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Jobfox partnered with the same company and either is shooting for higher margins or got a worse deal, since there is no way they get 10% of elance&#039;s paid traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elance.com offers &#8216;certification&#8217; for service providers along these same lines for rates starting at $10 or so.  The cert tests consist of ridiculously outdated multiple choice quizzes provided by a third party testing service from some dark corner of the internet.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Jobfox partnered with the same company and either is shooting for higher margins or got a worse deal, since there is no way they get 10% of elance&#8217;s paid traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: The Middle</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2008/11/03/ved-please-explain-this-jobfox-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-115461</link>
		<dc:creator>The Middle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once agian by my name you can see I try to see both sides.

I like JobFox too. I think there is a place for a product like JF in the market. It might be a stand alone one as it is today or an add on to a more established site like CB,HJ or Monster.

I find it hard to believe that anyone in the HR or Rec space has &quot;never&quot; heard of Jobfox. They speand millions sending emails and mail to invite you to lunch seminars.

As a candidate I would never speand extra money to be certified. I would just send my LinkedIn profile and as a hiring manager I would see who recod them on LinkedIn.

I asked a few trusted sources and JobFox IS in trouble. I heard that 15 - 20 heads got cut today alone.

The issue with JF is not the product. The product is fine. It is with the leadership. If you remember when CB bought HeadHunter - the CB team over and then the board brought back the HH team. Why do you think that happened?

I know many reps, managers and ops people who have left JF over the past 6 months. They were all stars before JF and are stars after JF but the did not fit while they were there...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once agian by my name you can see I try to see both sides.</p>
<p>I like JobFox too. I think there is a place for a product like JF in the market. It might be a stand alone one as it is today or an add on to a more established site like CB,HJ or Monster.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that anyone in the HR or Rec space has &#8220;never&#8221; heard of Jobfox. They speand millions sending emails and mail to invite you to lunch seminars.</p>
<p>As a candidate I would never speand extra money to be certified. I would just send my LinkedIn profile and as a hiring manager I would see who recod them on LinkedIn.</p>
<p>I asked a few trusted sources and JobFox IS in trouble. I heard that 15 &#8211; 20 heads got cut today alone.</p>
<p>The issue with JF is not the product. The product is fine. It is with the leadership. If you remember when CB bought HeadHunter &#8211; the CB team over and then the board brought back the HH team. Why do you think that happened?</p>
<p>I know many reps, managers and ops people who have left JF over the past 6 months. They were all stars before JF and are stars after JF but the did not fit while they were there&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Monetizing the jobseeker : Recruiting Nevada</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2008/11/03/ved-please-explain-this-jobfox-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-115418</link>
		<dc:creator>Monetizing the jobseeker : Recruiting Nevada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] example is JobFox.  Cheezhead recently blogged on Jobfox&#8217;s certification offering. It is an interesting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] example is JobFox.  Cheezhead recently blogged on Jobfox&#8217;s certification offering. It is an interesting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimmicks to buff up seeker resumes with certifications, profile tune-ups and writing a resume for a candidate are a turn-off, especially when they cost money.    

I like Jobfox.   I think their product is generally very good.   However, it appears as though Jobfox needs to re-evaluate the current market where seekers simply want to fill out their profile and hope for good matches.   If I were unemployed the last think I would do is pay $50 and I definitely wouldn&#039;t pay $299.   The Intro program that Jobfox created and furiously marketed was, in my opinion, a great way to attract seekers.  However, I noticed that several jobs were 5 Star matches but with the same company and same contact information for introductions for different positions.  Jobfox didn&#039;t consider that if a seeker had already asked for an intro with a company -even if it were for a different job- that they would be in essence throwing away one of their 8 possible introductions.  I think that may have flooded companies with a lot of the same seekers.  I also got emails for new Intro opportunities but when I logged in the star rating was very low and certainly not worth submitting.   I also get emails each week with my Intros update but am very disappointed that all of my 5 Star rated Intro requests require several email follow-ups and I have spent one of my eight 5-Star Intros for nothing.  

I think the confusing and time consuming profile creation causes seekers to bail out and those that don&#039;t aren&#039;t given the matches they deserve because they miss something along the way.  Their system needs to be tweeked to make it more appealing and less confusing.  

I know Jobfox can do that but they need to do it soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimmicks to buff up seeker resumes with certifications, profile tune-ups and writing a resume for a candidate are a turn-off, especially when they cost money.    </p>
<p>I like Jobfox.   I think their product is generally very good.   However, it appears as though Jobfox needs to re-evaluate the current market where seekers simply want to fill out their profile and hope for good matches.   If I were unemployed the last think I would do is pay $50 and I definitely wouldn&#8217;t pay $299.   The Intro program that Jobfox created and furiously marketed was, in my opinion, a great way to attract seekers.  However, I noticed that several jobs were 5 Star matches but with the same company and same contact information for introductions for different positions.  Jobfox didn&#8217;t consider that if a seeker had already asked for an intro with a company -even if it were for a different job- that they would be in essence throwing away one of their 8 possible introductions.  I think that may have flooded companies with a lot of the same seekers.  I also got emails for new Intro opportunities but when I logged in the star rating was very low and certainly not worth submitting.   I also get emails each week with my Intros update but am very disappointed that all of my 5 Star rated Intro requests require several email follow-ups and I have spent one of my eight 5-Star Intros for nothing.  </p>
<p>I think the confusing and time consuming profile creation causes seekers to bail out and those that don&#8217;t aren&#8217;t given the matches they deserve because they miss something along the way.  Their system needs to be tweeked to make it more appealing and less confusing.  </p>
<p>I know Jobfox can do that but they need to do it soon.</p>
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		<title>By: foxinthehenhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>foxinthehenhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of few JF customers I can tell you that all of the comments made so far are pretty much true.  The company is not doing well, and maybe will never be doing well enough to be taken seriously by anyone other than those who run it.  However, I can tell you for sure that there is very little traffic that goes to the site I have asked my rep and the sales manager to provide traffic data because we have not been getting any qualified candidates, and they both skirt the issue.  My rep finally broke down and told me that they don&#039;t disclose the data because its not good. So the above mentioned tactic is just another way the company is trying to stay afloat.  Even though I didn&#039;t get into the contract with this shady company, I can&#039;t wait until the contract ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of few JF customers I can tell you that all of the comments made so far are pretty much true.  The company is not doing well, and maybe will never be doing well enough to be taken seriously by anyone other than those who run it.  However, I can tell you for sure that there is very little traffic that goes to the site I have asked my rep and the sales manager to provide traffic data because we have not been getting any qualified candidates, and they both skirt the issue.  My rep finally broke down and told me that they don&#8217;t disclose the data because its not good. So the above mentioned tactic is just another way the company is trying to stay afloat.  Even though I didn&#8217;t get into the contract with this shady company, I can&#8217;t wait until the contract ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Amie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2008/11/03/ved-please-explain-this-jobfox-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-115265</link>
		<dc:creator>Amie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At profile creation Jobfox is also offering:

Resume Tune-up ($25.00)
Resume Tune-up + Jobfox Profile Tune-up  ($49.00)
Resume Writing Service + Jobfox Profile Tune-up ($299.00) &lt;--- !!!

All resume writing is done by Jobfox &quot;certified resume writers&quot;, no less.

Like William said, if this is a service offering it is a bit ill-timed.   It&#039;s also unfair to the masses of unemployed people signing up on job boards who think it will bring them the $5,000 more in starting salary Jobfox claims it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At profile creation Jobfox is also offering:</p>
<p>Resume Tune-up ($25.00)<br />
Resume Tune-up + Jobfox Profile Tune-up  ($49.00)<br />
Resume Writing Service + Jobfox Profile Tune-up ($299.00) &lt;&#8212; !!!</p>
<p>All resume writing is done by Jobfox &#8220;certified resume writers&#8221;, no less.</p>
<p>Like William said, if this is a service offering it is a bit ill-timed.   It&#8217;s also unfair to the masses of unemployed people signing up on job boards who think it will bring them the $5,000 more in starting salary Jobfox claims it will.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaela</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2008/11/03/ved-please-explain-this-jobfox-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-115263</link>
		<dc:creator>Michaela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,
If you are &quot;testing on a limited subset of our job seekers&quot;, then why is it that everyone I know who is signed on with Jobfox is getting the popup offer when they login?  Is this a Jobfox certification or are you saying there are over 900 job certifications to pay for?  I smell a rat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,<br />
If you are &#8220;testing on a limited subset of our job seekers&#8221;, then why is it that everyone I know who is signed on with Jobfox is getting the popup offer when they login?  Is this a Jobfox certification or are you saying there are over 900 job certifications to pay for?  I smell a rat.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks extremely ropey. If it is a pilot, how can they say that certified users get &quot;70% more profile views&quot;? 

Where can that figure come from if it&#039;s a &quot;limited&quot; pilot? 
If we give them the benefit of the doubt and agree that it&#039;s not just made up, then that makes it misdescribed. Which probably makes it a breach of trading standards. 

What&#039;s also very unclear in the advert is what the criteria are to be eligible for a certification in an area, how long it takes, and so on. It looks so dodgy, I can&#039;t imagine what they were thinking. Perhaps they should have gone the whole hog and WRITTEN IT ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS and just sent it out as good old fashionned spam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks extremely ropey. If it is a pilot, how can they say that certified users get &#8220;70% more profile views&#8221;? </p>
<p>Where can that figure come from if it&#8217;s a &#8220;limited&#8221; pilot?<br />
If we give them the benefit of the doubt and agree that it&#8217;s not just made up, then that makes it misdescribed. Which probably makes it a breach of trading standards. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s also very unclear in the advert is what the criteria are to be eligible for a certification in an area, how long it takes, and so on. It looks so dodgy, I can&#8217;t imagine what they were thinking. Perhaps they should have gone the whole hog and WRITTEN IT ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS and just sent it out as good old fashionned spam!</p>
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		<title>By: olivier Blanchard</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2008/11/03/ved-please-explain-this-jobfox-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-115259</link>
		<dc:creator>olivier Blanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never even heard of them. Now I know why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never even heard of them. Now I know why.</p>
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		<title>By: monsterlover1@gmail.com</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2008/11/03/ved-please-explain-this-jobfox-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-115258</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterlover1@gmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like someone is worried about their traffic? Maybe mor worried about their revenues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like someone is worried about their traffic? Maybe mor worried about their revenues?</p>
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