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		<title>By: frustrated</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/02/24/march-there-will-be-blood/comment-page-2/#comment-116962</link>
		<dc:creator>frustrated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a 5% decrease in base salary for salespeople making $25K base?? With the new quotas, it takes everything you can do just to maybe hit the floor! How do they expect us to live off of that?!

I know people will say, you have to work hard and smart to hit your numbers, but c&#039;mon! Not when you are calling smaller companies who aren&#039;t even paying their previous invoices. Hitting the &quot;floor&quot; is a major feat that isn&#039;t feasible for most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a 5% decrease in base salary for salespeople making $25K base?? With the new quotas, it takes everything you can do just to maybe hit the floor! How do they expect us to live off of that?!</p>
<p>I know people will say, you have to work hard and smart to hit your numbers, but c&#8217;mon! Not when you are calling smaller companies who aren&#8217;t even paying their previous invoices. Hitting the &#8220;floor&#8221; is a major feat that isn&#8217;t feasible for most.</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/02/24/march-there-will-be-blood/comment-page-2/#comment-116960</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know times are tough so there&#039;s no way they can go out and find another job.  They will worry to much about not being able to get one and end up sticking around.  Let&#039;s cut their salary by 10% and not give any more quarterly bonsues.  But wait, let&#039;s finish off the call with something to make them smile about - - Friday afternoons off.  

Meeting over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know times are tough so there&#8217;s no way they can go out and find another job.  They will worry to much about not being able to get one and end up sticking around.  Let&#8217;s cut their salary by 10% and not give any more quarterly bonsues.  But wait, let&#8217;s finish off the call with something to make them smile about &#8211; - Friday afternoons off.  </p>
<p>Meeting over.</p>
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		<title>By: outsider</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/02/24/march-there-will-be-blood/comment-page-2/#comment-116959</link>
		<dc:creator>outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB just announced a 5% decrease in salary. From what I hear it will only affect managers. I&#039;m sure more info will follow soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB just announced a 5% decrease in salary. From what I hear it will only affect managers. I&#8217;m sure more info will follow soon.</p>
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		<title>By: HMMMM</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/02/24/march-there-will-be-blood/comment-page-2/#comment-116956</link>
		<dc:creator>HMMMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>company conference call today with the CEO...standy by</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>company conference call today with the CEO&#8230;standy by</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not want to distract you from your Careerbuilder bickering, but I did want to let you know that the &quot;blood is flowing&quot; at Jobing.com.  Joel never reports anything negative about his friends in AZ since they gave him a free booth at SHRM last year when Jobing had set the record for the biggest SHRM booth of all time.  It seems that the investment of theirs paid off with more layoffs this week as they continue to cut and cut. They are expecting more people to be fired today as their executives travel across the country from office to office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not want to distract you from your Careerbuilder bickering, but I did want to let you know that the &#8220;blood is flowing&#8221; at Jobing.com.  Joel never reports anything negative about his friends in AZ since they gave him a free booth at SHRM last year when Jobing had set the record for the biggest SHRM booth of all time.  It seems that the investment of theirs paid off with more layoffs this week as they continue to cut and cut. They are expecting more people to be fired today as their executives travel across the country from office to office.</p>
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		<title>By: Linxus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linxus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumbfounded WOW - you should keep doing your job as well!  I am going to guess that your profession is a detective.  Your deductive reasoning skills are unmacthed!!  I will hire you next time I need a big case cracked

How did you ever guess that the other person works for CB?  I&#039;m happy that you wrote &quot;clearly&quot; for those of us who probably couldn&#039;t figue it out.

I don&#039;t even understand what your post means: &quot;Talk about something that matters, like keeping your job through the end of March&quot; - so that means you care about Dumbfounded&#039;s job?  Keep up the good posts!!

Dumbfounded - I agree with you (mostly)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbfounded WOW &#8211; you should keep doing your job as well!  I am going to guess that your profession is a detective.  Your deductive reasoning skills are unmacthed!!  I will hire you next time I need a big case cracked</p>
<p>How did you ever guess that the other person works for CB?  I&#8217;m happy that you wrote &#8220;clearly&#8221; for those of us who probably couldn&#8217;t figue it out.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even understand what your post means: &#8220;Talk about something that matters, like keeping your job through the end of March&#8221; &#8211; so that means you care about Dumbfounded&#8217;s job?  Keep up the good posts!!</p>
<p>Dumbfounded &#8211; I agree with you (mostly)</p>
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		<title>By: Dumbfounded WOW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumbfounded WOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, you work for CB...no idiot would argue those invalid points. We&#039;ll, that&#039;s not true, Monster may be able to compete with you on that level. Talk about something that matters, like keeping your job through the end of March.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, you work for CB&#8230;no idiot would argue those invalid points. We&#8217;ll, that&#8217;s not true, Monster may be able to compete with you on that level. Talk about something that matters, like keeping your job through the end of March.</p>
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		<title>By: Dumbfounded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumbfounded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CareerBuilderFan - I really appreciate your insight, and I can see where your feelings stem from.  I however, have to respectfully disagree with you.  In any business, building rapport and further strengthening relationships is a key factor to helping your own business grow (in any industry).  I am sure you can appreciate this, because I assume you are in direct recruiting, and relationship building is probably an essential factor for you.

Yes, there are things like LiveMeeting and GoTo Meeting and CareerBuilder utilizes these resources (for the vast majority of their meetings as well).  Since the creation of the telephone and the idea of doing sales directly over the phone, why did outside sales roles continue to further grow?  Because meeting someone face to face helps build stronger relationships.  Should every organzation with an outside sales force shutdown operations and force everything to be done inside? Didn&#039;t CEO&#039;s of these companies know (even in a good economy) that video Conferences would probably be more cost effective than a travel budget for their outside sales roles?  

The simple truth is that some divisons within the organization are outside/inside roles.  With the rep coming out to see you in person, and perhaps taking you out to lunch is not trying to be insensitive to your own perosnal situation or blatant disregard for the economy.  Rather it is a sign of appreciation of your business and trying to help further stengthen the current relationship.  If you are personally against the rep coming out to see you, then you should just respectuflly decline instead of facilitiating something you are completely against.  

With that being said, CareerBuilder is still extremely sensitive of the times and have implemented cutbacks in their travel budget as well as many other areas to try and operate more efficiently.  Just because the economy is down doesn&#039;t mean that every business should completely alter the way they do business, but rather make sure they are a lot smarter with their methods than they normally would be - which CareerBuilder is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CareerBuilderFan &#8211; I really appreciate your insight, and I can see where your feelings stem from.  I however, have to respectfully disagree with you.  In any business, building rapport and further strengthening relationships is a key factor to helping your own business grow (in any industry).  I am sure you can appreciate this, because I assume you are in direct recruiting, and relationship building is probably an essential factor for you.</p>
<p>Yes, there are things like LiveMeeting and GoTo Meeting and CareerBuilder utilizes these resources (for the vast majority of their meetings as well).  Since the creation of the telephone and the idea of doing sales directly over the phone, why did outside sales roles continue to further grow?  Because meeting someone face to face helps build stronger relationships.  Should every organzation with an outside sales force shutdown operations and force everything to be done inside? Didn&#8217;t CEO&#8217;s of these companies know (even in a good economy) that video Conferences would probably be more cost effective than a travel budget for their outside sales roles?  </p>
<p>The simple truth is that some divisons within the organization are outside/inside roles.  With the rep coming out to see you in person, and perhaps taking you out to lunch is not trying to be insensitive to your own perosnal situation or blatant disregard for the economy.  Rather it is a sign of appreciation of your business and trying to help further stengthen the current relationship.  If you are personally against the rep coming out to see you, then you should just respectuflly decline instead of facilitiating something you are completely against.  </p>
<p>With that being said, CareerBuilder is still extremely sensitive of the times and have implemented cutbacks in their travel budget as well as many other areas to try and operate more efficiently.  Just because the economy is down doesn&#8217;t mean that every business should completely alter the way they do business, but rather make sure they are a lot smarter with their methods than they normally would be &#8211; which CareerBuilder is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: CareerBuilderFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>CareerBuilderFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumbfounded - as a full CareerBuilder supporter (and customer), I&#039;m happy to see your response.  However, I do have to comment that I&#039;m concerned at some of the expenses I see our CB team incurring.  Had CB not come down in price for us in 2009, made multiple concessions, and practically laid it all on the line for us, I would be concerned that the good money we earn - and in return pay to CareerBuilder - was simply going toward *extremely* nice dinners (better than those my spouse and I get on date night), trips to warm places (again better than my spouse and I get), unnecessary travel for meetings that could be held via today&#039;s superior technology (can you say video conferencing?  LiveMeeting?  GoTo Meeting?), etc.  There is some extravagance there that should be considered.  

Again - big fan of CareerBuilder, but something to think about.  The impression is that there&#039;s little regard to the economy.  We would appreciate it more if you *didn&#039;t* come to town for an afternoon meeting than coming into town spending money on a hotel, car, valet, dinner, tips, flight, etc. when we&#039;re struggling to pay last month&#039;s invoice.

That said....   this is temporary folks.  Keep your chin up and do your job.  And like Dumbfounded said - you just might not have to worry about being laid off.  But even worrying about it doesn&#039;t change a thing - just do your job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbfounded &#8211; as a full CareerBuilder supporter (and customer), I&#8217;m happy to see your response.  However, I do have to comment that I&#8217;m concerned at some of the expenses I see our CB team incurring.  Had CB not come down in price for us in 2009, made multiple concessions, and practically laid it all on the line for us, I would be concerned that the good money we earn &#8211; and in return pay to CareerBuilder &#8211; was simply going toward *extremely* nice dinners (better than those my spouse and I get on date night), trips to warm places (again better than my spouse and I get), unnecessary travel for meetings that could be held via today&#8217;s superior technology (can you say video conferencing?  LiveMeeting?  GoTo Meeting?), etc.  There is some extravagance there that should be considered.  </p>
<p>Again &#8211; big fan of CareerBuilder, but something to think about.  The impression is that there&#8217;s little regard to the economy.  We would appreciate it more if you *didn&#8217;t* come to town for an afternoon meeting than coming into town spending money on a hotel, car, valet, dinner, tips, flight, etc. when we&#8217;re struggling to pay last month&#8217;s invoice.</p>
<p>That said&#8230;.   this is temporary folks.  Keep your chin up and do your job.  And like Dumbfounded said &#8211; you just might not have to worry about being laid off.  But even worrying about it doesn&#8217;t change a thing &#8211; just do your job.</p>
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		<title>By: Dumbfounded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumbfounded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cabo2, really?  Some of you people really need to think things through before posting a blog comment.  First off, the Cabo trip is a sales incentive trip, also known as President&#039;s Club (which I assume you know about because you work for CB and probbaly didn&#039;t make the trip).  This is an EARNED trip by top performers and also an added incentive to look forward to for your hard work at the end of the year.  

CB is budget conscious and worried about the well being of their employees.  This is why upper management decided to cancel the Holiday party as well as many other initiatives to watch costs in this economic turmoil.

I also love the speculation that layoffs are right around the corner as well.  You have no validity on those statements.  Instead of focusing on gossip, do your job and guess what, you won&#039;t have to worry about being laid off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cabo2, really?  Some of you people really need to think things through before posting a blog comment.  First off, the Cabo trip is a sales incentive trip, also known as President&#8217;s Club (which I assume you know about because you work for CB and probbaly didn&#8217;t make the trip).  This is an EARNED trip by top performers and also an added incentive to look forward to for your hard work at the end of the year.  </p>
<p>CB is budget conscious and worried about the well being of their employees.  This is why upper management decided to cancel the Holiday party as well as many other initiatives to watch costs in this economic turmoil.</p>
<p>I also love the speculation that layoffs are right around the corner as well.  You have no validity on those statements.  Instead of focusing on gossip, do your job and guess what, you won&#8217;t have to worry about being laid off.</p>
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