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		<title>By: Elizabeth Johnston</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-119060</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number one factor accounting for double-digit increases in the average length of unemployment is the reliance on job boards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number one factor accounting for double-digit increases in the average length of unemployment is the reliance on job boards.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117990</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 08:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting concept - a bit like linkedin + my personal career management system with key elements exposed for recruiters and searchable. This is not exactly linked in as the messaging system especially one&#039;s intent to find a job is rudimentary i.e. not exactly searchable and not public enough especially for communication from someone outside your network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting concept &#8211; a bit like linkedin + my personal career management system with key elements exposed for recruiters and searchable. This is not exactly linked in as the messaging system especially one&#8217;s intent to find a job is rudimentary i.e. not exactly searchable and not public enough especially for communication from someone outside your network.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117956</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lisa, 
Yes, you&#039;re right, there is a gap here, although I&#039;d call it a gaping hole.  Why aim it at Gen Y when you can aim it at everyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa,<br />
Yes, you&#8217;re right, there is a gap here, although I&#8217;d call it a gaping hole.  Why aim it at Gen Y when you can aim it at everyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Scales</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117892</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Scales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the job boards for their business model that has made them rich - get content for free (from jobseeker) and then charge someone for that content!! brilliant - genius - wrong!!

have a look at Talent on View&#039;s latest product - launching in June - aimed at Gen Y - this is the gap between Facebook and Linked in - Facebook - a little dangerous and Linked in - positioning itself as a social network and not a &quot;people board&quot; :)

http://www.cvonview.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the job boards for their business model that has made them rich &#8211; get content for free (from jobseeker) and then charge someone for that content!! brilliant &#8211; genius &#8211; wrong!!</p>
<p>have a look at Talent on View&#8217;s latest product &#8211; launching in June &#8211; aimed at Gen Y &#8211; this is the gap between Facebook and Linked in &#8211; Facebook &#8211; a little dangerous and Linked in &#8211; positioning itself as a social network and not a &#8220;people board&#8221; :)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cvonview.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cvonview.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117832</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha,
What exactly are job boards giving back? I agree that having a business that doesn&#039;t work commercially doesn&#039;t make sense but there are different ways of charging for a service (either directly or indirectly).  Asking people to send their data for free and then charging for it doesn&#039;t seem fair...see my quote in the original article &quot;The job boards are selling YOUR data and you gave them it for free.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha,<br />
What exactly are job boards giving back? I agree that having a business that doesn&#8217;t work commercially doesn&#8217;t make sense but there are different ways of charging for a service (either directly or indirectly).  Asking people to send their data for free and then charging for it doesn&#8217;t seem fair&#8230;see my quote in the original article &#8220;The job boards are selling YOUR data and you gave them it for free.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117831</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby Tyke,
That&#039;s one of the points I&#039;m trying to get across; let the people looking for jobs decide what they put on their resumes, and how they control their data.  It&#039;s about self-promotion and NOT hiding your light under a bushel.  It&#039;s an initial step to connecting the right employer to the right employee, but it won&#039;t replace a face to face interview.  What it may help with is stopping employers drowning under a sea of unqualified CVs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby Tyke,<br />
That&#8217;s one of the points I&#8217;m trying to get across; let the people looking for jobs decide what they put on their resumes, and how they control their data.  It&#8217;s about self-promotion and NOT hiding your light under a bushel.  It&#8217;s an initial step to connecting the right employer to the right employee, but it won&#8217;t replace a face to face interview.  What it may help with is stopping employers drowning under a sea of unqualified CVs.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117830</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Job boards are charging money but they are giving something in back also. All are money minded so if they are charging something then i don&#039;t think that they are doing something wrong.

....................
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onlinejobsitesuk.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Online Uk Jobs Resource&lt;/a&gt;

Martha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Job boards are charging money but they are giving something in back also. All are money minded so if they are charging something then i don&#8217;t think that they are doing something wrong.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
<a href="http://www.onlinejobsitesuk.com" rel="nofollow">Online Uk Jobs Resource</a></p>
<p>Martha</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Tyke</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117828</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby Tyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For reasons that we are all painfully aware of there’s not a whole lot of recruiting going on right now, businesses have turned in on themselves and are spending a great deal of time ‘naval gazing’ trying to figure out where it all went wrong. All costs are up for review (review being a fancy term for reduction and if possible removal). 

One of the costs that must stand out like a sore thumb is the invoices submitted by recruitment consultants which have been the seed corn for the explosive growth in job boards. I can’t be the first person to notice a single vacancy 10 or more times on a job board from 10 different agencies. This plays into the hands of the job boards quite nicely thanks very much as they are collecting 10 times the revenue.

In the UK the permanent recruitment business normally charge something in the region of 25% of the commencing annual salary, for a mid level manager position this would amount to a fee of around 10K GBP. That’s a lot of dough for putting a role up on a board for 7 days, first filtering say 30 resumes, speaking to 15 candidates on the telephone, speaking to 10 candidates in person to ensure that they are articulate and personable and passing maybe 7 candidates through to the employer for 2nd interview. My experiences on the employer&#039;s side of the fence would suggest that the agency’s personable and articulate filters need some adjustments too, the rubbish that have had to interview ! 

The contract end of the business works to the benefit of the recruitment consultancies even more than the permanent recruitment business.  The end user of the service may be billed 600/day by a primary agency that may well be being billed 520/day by a second tier agency and the person fulfilling the role at the customer site might be picking up  450/day. So that’s 150/day that’s disappearing between the customer and the vendor, over a typical 100 day contract that would be 15K and if the contract rolls over do the agencies reduce their cut ? All their costs, security clearance etc are front loaded so their margin for the extension certainly is increased, erm no they don’t.

A closer relationship between the contractor and the end user would clearly be financially beneficial for both parties. The end user could find the contractor on a people board, the agency could be just used to ‘front up’ the contract for a much lower fee as all their whining about all that effort they put in to find the right candidate would no longer hold water. 

Contractor agency fees must be one of the only business models that does not have price breaks based on volume. Imagine a hotel chain who charged the same rate for a 1 night stay as they did for a 100 night stay.

Once businesses start to cut the fees that they are prepared to pay recruitment consultants this will feed down to the job boards and who knows may be business HR functions might look at cutting agencies out altogether. If you’re a major recruiter where’s the logic in paying for recruitment on a transactional basis.

I thought Stacy’s comment about charging for access to her job board was to ensure that resumes don’t fall into the ‘wrong hands’ was amusing, would they be the hands that are not clutching $$$$ ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For reasons that we are all painfully aware of there’s not a whole lot of recruiting going on right now, businesses have turned in on themselves and are spending a great deal of time ‘naval gazing’ trying to figure out where it all went wrong. All costs are up for review (review being a fancy term for reduction and if possible removal). </p>
<p>One of the costs that must stand out like a sore thumb is the invoices submitted by recruitment consultants which have been the seed corn for the explosive growth in job boards. I can’t be the first person to notice a single vacancy 10 or more times on a job board from 10 different agencies. This plays into the hands of the job boards quite nicely thanks very much as they are collecting 10 times the revenue.</p>
<p>In the UK the permanent recruitment business normally charge something in the region of 25% of the commencing annual salary, for a mid level manager position this would amount to a fee of around 10K GBP. That’s a lot of dough for putting a role up on a board for 7 days, first filtering say 30 resumes, speaking to 15 candidates on the telephone, speaking to 10 candidates in person to ensure that they are articulate and personable and passing maybe 7 candidates through to the employer for 2nd interview. My experiences on the employer&#8217;s side of the fence would suggest that the agency’s personable and articulate filters need some adjustments too, the rubbish that have had to interview ! </p>
<p>The contract end of the business works to the benefit of the recruitment consultancies even more than the permanent recruitment business.  The end user of the service may be billed 600/day by a primary agency that may well be being billed 520/day by a second tier agency and the person fulfilling the role at the customer site might be picking up  450/day. So that’s 150/day that’s disappearing between the customer and the vendor, over a typical 100 day contract that would be 15K and if the contract rolls over do the agencies reduce their cut ? All their costs, security clearance etc are front loaded so their margin for the extension certainly is increased, erm no they don’t.</p>
<p>A closer relationship between the contractor and the end user would clearly be financially beneficial for both parties. The end user could find the contractor on a people board, the agency could be just used to ‘front up’ the contract for a much lower fee as all their whining about all that effort they put in to find the right candidate would no longer hold water. </p>
<p>Contractor agency fees must be one of the only business models that does not have price breaks based on volume. Imagine a hotel chain who charged the same rate for a 1 night stay as they did for a 100 night stay.</p>
<p>Once businesses start to cut the fees that they are prepared to pay recruitment consultants this will feed down to the job boards and who knows may be business HR functions might look at cutting agencies out altogether. If you’re a major recruiter where’s the logic in paying for recruitment on a transactional basis.</p>
<p>I thought Stacy’s comment about charging for access to her job board was to ensure that resumes don’t fall into the ‘wrong hands’ was amusing, would they be the hands that are not clutching $$$$ ?</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Tyke</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117818</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby Tyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have looked at knokknok.com you can reveal as much or as little of your personal data on your initial page as you want. If you then fill your resume with information that makes you clearly identifiable such as being the CEO of ACME inc rather than the CEO of a leading FMCG company then frankly you are making your own problems. You can be contacted via a numbered anonymous email address which maintains your privacy. Clearly at some point further down the line your identity will become known to potential employers, they seldom take on staff without knowing their names. 

At the end of the day ou either want to further your career or you don&#039;t, for God&#039;s sake people ADVERTISE !!!! A number of posts in reply to this article clearly indicate people are stuck in the job board mentality of looking for a job rather than the employers seeking candidates. Despite the current economic climate, the right candidate is still hard to find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have looked at knokknok.com you can reveal as much or as little of your personal data on your initial page as you want. If you then fill your resume with information that makes you clearly identifiable such as being the CEO of ACME inc rather than the CEO of a leading FMCG company then frankly you are making your own problems. You can be contacted via a numbered anonymous email address which maintains your privacy. Clearly at some point further down the line your identity will become known to potential employers, they seldom take on staff without knowing their names. </p>
<p>At the end of the day ou either want to further your career or you don&#8217;t, for God&#8217;s sake people ADVERTISE !!!! A number of posts in reply to this article clearly indicate people are stuck in the job board mentality of looking for a job rather than the employers seeking candidates. Despite the current economic climate, the right candidate is still hard to find.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/11/people-boards-the-real-alternative-to-job-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-117811</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &quot;Your resume services guide&quot;,
You say job boards help but don&#039;t explain why.  I&#039;ve never used any advice from a job board.  Maybe when I started working 20 years ago I could have done with some advice on how to structure my resume, but not any more.  There&#039;s plenty of free advice out there if you Google it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8220;Your resume services guide&#8221;,<br />
You say job boards help but don&#8217;t explain why.  I&#8217;ve never used any advice from a job board.  Maybe when I started working 20 years ago I could have done with some advice on how to structure my resume, but not any more.  There&#8217;s plenty of free advice out there if you Google it.</p>
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