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		<title>By: Lorraine</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/26/why-we-should-all-stop-advertising-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-118082</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who is going to wade through all those resumes?&quot; 
No one is...and that&#039;s what&#039;s wrong with both the concept of job boards and the recruiting process (which is broken). It&#039;s a waste of everyone&#039;s time to either post a job or apply to one through the boards (or for that matter, a company career site).

Advertising jobs in a low unemployment cycle is a decent way to get the word out....but it&#039;s not going to bring out the so-called passive job seekers. These days, everyone is looking. 

As I mentioned in &quot;What Do Job Boards And T-Rex Have In Common?&quot;, the boards are dead. Right now, unemployed folks are looking everywhere, including the boards, and still hold out hope they will get a response. 

There was a time when job boards had their usefulness. From the employer’s perspective, they are overpriced dinosaurs. And, only 12% of their hires come through the boards, so why do they continue to pay for the ‘privilege’ of posting on the boards??

For job seekers, the boards give them the opportunity to apply for jobs that everyone else on the planet has for. Only spammers and identify theives seem to like them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who is going to wade through all those resumes?&#8221;<br />
No one is&#8230;and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s wrong with both the concept of job boards and the recruiting process (which is broken). It&#8217;s a waste of everyone&#8217;s time to either post a job or apply to one through the boards (or for that matter, a company career site).</p>
<p>Advertising jobs in a low unemployment cycle is a decent way to get the word out&#8230;.but it&#8217;s not going to bring out the so-called passive job seekers. These days, everyone is looking. </p>
<p>As I mentioned in &#8220;What Do Job Boards And T-Rex Have In Common?&#8221;, the boards are dead. Right now, unemployed folks are looking everywhere, including the boards, and still hold out hope they will get a response. </p>
<p>There was a time when job boards had their usefulness. From the employer’s perspective, they are overpriced dinosaurs. And, only 12% of their hires come through the boards, so why do they continue to pay for the ‘privilege’ of posting on the boards??</p>
<p>For job seekers, the boards give them the opportunity to apply for jobs that everyone else on the planet has for. Only spammers and identify theives seem to like them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ponytails, job search and why the shoe doesn&#8217;t always fit &#171; Marenated</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/26/why-we-should-all-stop-advertising-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-118066</link>
		<dc:creator>Ponytails, job search and why the shoe doesn&#8217;t always fit &#171; Marenated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] why I get irritated with the constant &#8220;cover letter&#8221; debates and &#8220;job boards vs social media&#8221; hullabaloos. When it comes down to it, career search is a very personal thing. Yes, for some [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] why I get irritated with the constant &#8220;cover letter&#8221; debates and &#8220;job boards vs social media&#8221; hullabaloos. When it comes down to it, career search is a very personal thing. Yes, for some [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Beauford</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/26/why-we-should-all-stop-advertising-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-118011</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Beauford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, and I can&#039;t stand &quot;phishing&quot; tactics either, and refused to do it during my 12 years in the recruiting industry.  What&#039;s worse in my mind, is when recruiters &quot;phish&quot; for the intent purpose of getting a referral for free.  

You mentioned that &quot;It’s not as if we’re all applying for jobs every minute of every day&quot;. This is so true and to take it a step further, on average only 20% of workers are taking active steps to find a new job (maybe a little more these days) which leaves a market of 80% that nobody has a built a solution for.  Those people know a lot of people and if motivated properly a huge portion would probably be good for referrals from within that 80% population of passive candidates, and the best part is they can activate themselves.

Which leads me to your other point about &quot;There are clearly tens of thousands of different jobs out there ranging from seaweed collector to CEO of a multi-national company&quot;. If you could compartmentalize your networks on one social network site and post just seaweed collector jobs to that network, people are more likely to know people who do what they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, and I can&#8217;t stand &#8220;phishing&#8221; tactics either, and refused to do it during my 12 years in the recruiting industry.  What&#8217;s worse in my mind, is when recruiters &#8220;phish&#8221; for the intent purpose of getting a referral for free.  </p>
<p>You mentioned that &#8220;It’s not as if we’re all applying for jobs every minute of every day&#8221;. This is so true and to take it a step further, on average only 20% of workers are taking active steps to find a new job (maybe a little more these days) which leaves a market of 80% that nobody has a built a solution for.  Those people know a lot of people and if motivated properly a huge portion would probably be good for referrals from within that 80% population of passive candidates, and the best part is they can activate themselves.</p>
<p>Which leads me to your other point about &#8220;There are clearly tens of thousands of different jobs out there ranging from seaweed collector to CEO of a multi-national company&#8221;. If you could compartmentalize your networks on one social network site and post just seaweed collector jobs to that network, people are more likely to know people who do what they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/26/why-we-should-all-stop-advertising-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-117996</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick,
Thanks! Couldn&#039;t agree more about qualified job ads and the lack of information provided by job agencies (and sometimes even the employer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick,<br />
Thanks! Couldn&#8217;t agree more about qualified job ads and the lack of information provided by job agencies (and sometimes even the employer).</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/26/why-we-should-all-stop-advertising-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-117981</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,
Most people registered with Cheezhead have a link to their business website.  This is pretty much standard practise with the exception of those who want to comment anonymously.

I never plug what I do in my articles as a matter of principle. It&#039;s up to the Cheezhead editors as to whether they publish an article, not me.  

I have a new idea for an article about anonymous blogging that adds no value.  Perhaps I&#039;ll call it &quot;Pointing out the bloggingly obvious&quot;. 

Glad you&#039;ve read all my articles on Cheezhead to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,<br />
Most people registered with Cheezhead have a link to their business website.  This is pretty much standard practise with the exception of those who want to comment anonymously.</p>
<p>I never plug what I do in my articles as a matter of principle. It&#8217;s up to the Cheezhead editors as to whether they publish an article, not me.  </p>
<p>I have a new idea for an article about anonymous blogging that adds no value.  Perhaps I&#8217;ll call it &#8220;Pointing out the bloggingly obvious&#8221;. </p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;ve read all my articles on Cheezhead to date.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh LOVE this post! I have been thinking about writing an article like this to educate job seekers to not respond to blind/anonymous ads. 

We should not stop advertising jobs, but we should provide full information about the company. A job applicant should make it a policy of NOT responding to job ads that do not have information about the company that is hiring, such as a website, phone number, and/or email address. 

Everybody talks about that a job candidate should research a company that they are interested in working for. How can one do that when the job ads don&#039;t provide this information? No wonder companies complain that job applicants don&#039;t know anything about the company. 

On Craigslist, I personally started responding to ads in the gigs section by stating &quot;if this job posting is REAL, I am interested.&quot; This is because there are so many fake job ads that are posted anonymously without any contact information. Those job ads that provide a phone number appear to be the most legit job postings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh LOVE this post! I have been thinking about writing an article like this to educate job seekers to not respond to blind/anonymous ads. </p>
<p>We should not stop advertising jobs, but we should provide full information about the company. A job applicant should make it a policy of NOT responding to job ads that do not have information about the company that is hiring, such as a website, phone number, and/or email address. </p>
<p>Everybody talks about that a job candidate should research a company that they are interested in working for. How can one do that when the job ads don&#8217;t provide this information? No wonder companies complain that job applicants don&#8217;t know anything about the company. </p>
<p>On Craigslist, I personally started responding to ads in the gigs section by stating &#8220;if this job posting is REAL, I am interested.&#8221; This is because there are so many fake job ads that are posted anonymously without any contact information. Those job ads that provide a phone number appear to be the most legit job postings.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/26/why-we-should-all-stop-advertising-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-117976</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete,
Yes, posting is a piece of the hiring puzzle, but it&#039;s a diminishing piece. You&#039;re exactly right though, recruiting someone is a mix of different channels (that&#039;s what I am trying to get over in my original piece).  I just see that new (and hopefully) less expensive channels are appearing right now.  Thanks for your comments and real-life example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,<br />
Yes, posting is a piece of the hiring puzzle, but it&#8217;s a diminishing piece. You&#8217;re exactly right though, recruiting someone is a mix of different channels (that&#8217;s what I am trying to get over in my original piece).  I just see that new (and hopefully) less expensive channels are appearing right now.  Thanks for your comments and real-life example.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/26/why-we-should-all-stop-advertising-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-117974</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob,
You hit the spot perfectly with your opening line &quot;It’s the message not the medium.&quot;  There&#039;s far too much unqualified brief with a race to hit the job boards as fast as possible.

You also say, &quot;Most job descriptions never describe the challenge - just the responsibilities.&quot;...right again....lazy HR departments and greedy recruitment agents have a lot to answer for here I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,<br />
You hit the spot perfectly with your opening line &#8220;It’s the message not the medium.&#8221;  There&#8217;s far too much unqualified brief with a race to hit the job boards as fast as possible.</p>
<p>You also say, &#8220;Most job descriptions never describe the challenge &#8211; just the responsibilities.&#8221;&#8230;right again&#8230;.lazy HR departments and greedy recruitment agents have a lot to answer for here I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Findlay</title>
		<link>http://www.cheezhead.com/2009/05/26/why-we-should-all-stop-advertising-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-117973</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Findlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafael,
I think we&#039;re violently agreeing! What I&#039;m saying is that spending a lot of money on job adverts may not be the most effective way of attracting the right candidates.  There are new channels emerging right now.  Nobody has got the killer app (if one even exists), but the more qualified candidates you can reach the better by whatever means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafael,<br />
I think we&#8217;re violently agreeing! What I&#8217;m saying is that spending a lot of money on job adverts may not be the most effective way of attracting the right candidates.  There are new channels emerging right now.  Nobody has got the killer app (if one even exists), but the more qualified candidates you can reach the better by whatever means.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good post Rafael...graham findlay it sure seems like you have hijacked this site lately to push your agenda. haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post Rafael&#8230;graham findlay it sure seems like you have hijacked this site lately to push your agenda. haha</p>
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