Comments on: for sale: simply hired’s organic rankings

By: In the industry

In the industry — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:16:00 +0000

What trashy participants on this blog… There’s someone here trying to make a point – “Inspecting”. Why isn’t anyone talking about anything real. Isn’t this the forum for it? Isn’t this blog’s purpose to spark debate from people in the industry? Why all the trash?

will someone just respond to this with In the indsutry = Juju ?

Yuck – Find some new readers.

By: Inspecting = Juju

Inspecting = Juju — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:49:20 +0000

My name speaks for itself.

By: Inspecting

Inspecting — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:10:38 +0000

@Tommy Johnson – OK, maybe less than 1 million uniques. But most certainly more than the 755k Compete shows. Compete consistently underestimates unique visitor counts for sites by 15-20%. If you run a site, or work for a company, perhaps they can share the actuals with you as compared to how Compete measures site site. At any rate, 755k or 900k, they are still able to sustain clients.

So – enough about JuJu – they don’t have a contact form, don’t respond to people, so I guess that means the 1 million visits to their site are worthless. OK, let’s move on.

It would be interesting if the author of this article jumped into the discussion. So Cheesman, did SimplyHired admit to boosting organic traffic for advertisers? All we got was an unclear quote and a “Huh?”.

By: Tommy Johnson

Tommy Johnson — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:27:57 +0000

I would say juju is getting slammed because they hide….. the kind of sites honest people worry about. Why should we need to go to SHRM to find out about them? A simple “about” section and roster of executives and heaven forbid but a phone number would go a long ways into helping them grow into an accountable reputable company.. Send them a contact form…they wont even answer with a name. They will ask you for money though.

@ inspecting 1 million uniques??? Why are you trying to pump them by “misrepresenting” the facts
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/job-search-engine.com+indeed.com+simplyhired.com/ They are not only a long way from your stated numbers but their traffic is down double digits this year which would indicate that the public is “bashing” them with their mouse and driving reputable open companies like Indeed and SH to triple digit increases. If the public cant trust Wall Street not to scam them why would they want to trust some website that wont properly identify themselves.

By: Inspecting

Inspecting — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:38:05 +0000

@Blake Carrington – I don’t beleive you… Seems like a shady, sloppy attack… BUT, if this is really what you think and you’re in the industry, and have never heard of JuJu, you’re company needs to invest in some industry education on your behalf – http://siteanalytics.compete.com/www.job-search-engine.com/?src=3ss. Have you been to any trade shows lately – if so stop by their booth and they’ll explain their existence to you.

Wisely, JuJu resides under the domain name job-search-engine.com. Based on what compete reports, they most likely have just over 1 million unique visitors a month. Still think they don’t have any inventory? Just run a search on their site and you will see their advertisers. It’s pretty simple stuff. They’re selling to job boards. So – there’s an obvious reason they’re in business – they’re providing inexpensive traffic to job boards. How is this all confusing?

I don’t understand why readers of this blog are just slamming JuJu, but unwilling to engage and any meaningful discussion. Can anyone show evidence of organic favoritism on any of these sites, or is this article baseless?

By: Blake Carrington

Blake Carrington — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:48:03 +0000

@Anyone?

Is this juju.com? Becuause I’m in the industry and I’ve never heard about juju except on this board. Their traffic shows up as too low to measure on Alexa, and Quantcast. Compete.com says they are getting about 15,000 visitors a month, which is as close to nothing as you can get and still have a website.

I don’t think their customer service matters if they have no inventory to sell. What is the reason for them to be in business? Do we really need more aggregators?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:30:14 +0000

@ Anyone (come on, whoever this is knows who juju is)
Then who are they? If I knew then why would I ask and if you know why cant tou give an answer?
I Know (as most do) just as much about Juju as I do http://www.thejobfool.com which is NOTHING except that they both scrape jobs from the web

By: Anyone?

Anyone? — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:00:12 +0000

@ Anonymous (the last one…) – come on, whoever this is knows who juju is. Can we get some legitimate structured argument going here or is everyone just going to keep bashing each other? If you’re in the industry you know who juju is and what they’re after.

Are there any readers of this blog who want to participate with in the actual argument going on here? Does anyone aside form Inspector have anything meaningful to add?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:26:35 +0000

What is the big deal with juju all of a sudden? They are a stinking JOKE. I tried to contact them once and it took 2 weeks for them to respond. No company name, no phone no address. Who are they and why and what are they trying to hide? Its no wonder their traffic has gone down this year while everyone elses has gone up.

By: Inspecting

Inspecting — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:13:44 +0000

There’s no question that whatever the search engines are doing yields a better job search for the job seeker than job boards. Job boards return lists based on very basic search algorithms. Indeed and SimplyHired (possibly JuJu) return the best targeted matches for the job seeker. Their core technology is search, not aggregation.

Why all the debate? can’t we just run a basic test and use some common sense? Let’s test a broad search in a big market.

Search – What:Marketing Manager Where:New York, NY
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=marketing+manager&l=New+York%2C+NY – 6,703 results in 0.58 seconds
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobs/list/q-marketing+manager/l-New+York%2C+NY – 3,974 in 3.14 seconds
http://www.job-search-engine.com/jobs?k=marketing+manager&l=New+York%2C+NY – 2,618 in 2.41 seconds

I don’t even know how to go about determining who has a better organic result. Indeed and SimplyHired both show a good mix of employers and job boards and the relevance seems to be good for both. I can see though, that there doesn’t appear to be any over-population of the organic results with any jobs from the companies that appear in the sponsored results. In fact, on Indeed and SimplyHired, they don’t appear in the organic at all. There are mostly new jobs in the results, and jobs loaded with the keyword match. If there is organic favoritism going on here, I’m not sure how you could tell.

JuJu is all job board results. This make sense, as their volume is also much lower.

The sponsored results are what’s interesting. Again, JuJu is all job boards – I could only find 5 different boards as I paginated 20 pages back. Unexpectedly, the same is true for SimplyHired. The first page is TheLadders and KForce, followed by a WorkInRetail job, and then just more TheLadders, on and on..

On Indeed, there is a good mix of employers and job boards, and the results come up lightning fast. Not sure what this means – either Indeed has a better search algorithm, or more advertisers?

It would be great if posts like this came out with examples to back up the claims.